各位同学 Everybody
我们这儿也有老师 We also have teachers here.
大家晚上刚才从甘老师的介绍 Everyone has just introduced from teacher gan in the evening.
大家可能看出来 As you might see
我是用现在的话讲是叫杂货一枚 I call it a piece of groceries in the present sense
从过去的教育背景 From the educational background of the past
到后来从事了各方面的工作 Later, he worked in various fields.
也是经常在变化当中 And often in the midst of change
当然最近十几年相对十多年相对专注于一个领域 Of course, the last ten years, relative to more than a decade, relatively focused on a field.
在过去区域发展产业高科技本身 In the past, regional development of industrial high-tech itself.
做从事过16年的自然科学研究 Do natural science research for 16 years
这个也曾经到水里头吃过鞋 This has also eaten shoes in the water.
完了不能称之为下海 It can't be called going into the sea.
那99年的时候 In '99
那么后来再到地方政府从事科技产业区域发展 Then later to the local government to engage in regional development of science and technology industry.
那么最近八年时间在进行这个领域 So the last eight years have been in this field
所以是因为杂货 So it's the groceries
所以今天借这个机会 So take this opportunity today
实际上是跟我们同学们大家一道交流 In fact, we are communicating with our classmates.
一个现在比较热门的话题 A hot topic now
甘老师本来跟我说说 Mr. gan told me about it.
他当时我们约定的是一个其他的题目 He was engaged on another subject.
那个题目包含了现在太多的一些理念性的元素 That topic contains too many ideological elements now.
有一部分会涉及到太多的技术问题 There are too many technical problems involved.
所以我觉得可能对我们帮助不一定非常大 So I think it may not help us very much.
但是我觉得大家作为今天我听甘老师讲 But I think as today, I listen to Mr. gan.
我们学员也有一部分是飞北院的 Some of our students are from feibei hospital.
但是总体来讲都是跟整个城市发展相关的这样一个领域 But generally speaking, are related to the development of the entire city in such an area.
所以我觉得还是讲一讲这个话题 So I think we should talk about this topic.
另外这个话题当中的一些内容 In addition, some of the contents of this topic.
可能大家平常也能听到能看到 Maybe you can hear it and see it.
甚至个别情况下说不定有亲身的经历 Even in some cases, you may have personal experience.
所以这样说起来可能会比较好一点 So it might be better to say so.
我想今天是这样子 I think it's like this today.
我可能因为觉得这个时间关系 I may think it's a matter of time.
我可能当中就不一定休息了 I may not have a rest.
如果大家觉得需要出去一下 If you think you need to go out
或者大家可以自由的出去尽快的进来 Or we can go out and come in as soon as possible.
悄悄的出去悄悄地进来 To sneak in quietly.
那么另外到最后我可能会按照我们的时间留下十分钟到15分钟互动 Then at the end of the day, I may leave 10 minutes to 15 minutes of interaction according to our time.
那么因为作为大学的讲坛 Well, because as a forum for universities
我我是特别希望互动这个互动 I, I especially want to interact with this interaction.
包括在过程当中 Be included in the process
大家有啥说你那个地方我要打断一下你 What do people say about your place?
这个很好 This is good
因为以我过去的经历 Because of my past experience
我们再参加一些国际的一些研讨会 We'll take part in some international seminars.
或者是一些讲座 Or some lectures
一些论坛 Some forums
我也有机会比如在欧洲的几所大学去做 I also have the opportunity to do it at several universities in Europe.
讲习那些学员也好 It's good to talk to those students.
在座的老师也好 The teachers present here are also good.
有啥问题立马打断 If you have any questions, interrupt immediately.
中国人总觉得打断是一种不礼貌 Chinese people always find it impolite to interrupt.
我觉得在大学的教室里头 I think it's in the classroom of the university.
我们应该有这样子一个一个作风 We should have a style like this.
所以我不会介意不会进 So I wouldn't mind if I didn't come in
今天当然我也给大家做个说明话题 Today, of course, I would like to give you a topic of explanation.
我在同D上个月讲过一次 I spoke with d last month
但是根据上个月讲的有关的反馈和我甘老师我们商量以后 But according to the feedback I gave last month, we discussed it with Mr. gan.
针对今天的情况 In the light of today's situation
我这里头做了相当多的一些修改和补充 I have made quite a few changes and additions here.
所以如果特别是我们有个别同学说不定是从在班上曾经也听过说这个 So if we have some students in particular, maybe we have heard this from the class.
玩意 Gimmick
我们听到好像是第二次了 We heard it like a second time
看起来像第二次实际上内容体系有很多的变化 It looks like the second time, in fact, there are a lot of changes in the content system.
所以这个题目我就叫互联网加与城市管理转型 So I call this topic the Internet plus and the transformation of urban management.
四个方面的内容 The content of four aspects
第一 First
封从河出来 Feng Cong he
第二长风几万里 The second longest wind is tens of thousands of miles.
第三随风潜入夜 Third, the wind is blowing into the night.
第四会当凌绝顶 The fourth meeting will be the top of the mountain.
我估计大家可能看到这样的这种style I think you might see this kind of style
可能和我们学院派的教授们讲东西可能不太一样 Maybe it's different from what our college professors say.
因为我是觉得有些东西别弄得那么僵 Because I think there are some things that don't get so stiff.
第一个问题是想跟大家说说城市管理 The first question is to talk about urban management.
先以上海为例 Take Shanghai for example.
说说城市管理的前世今生 Talk about the past and present life of city management
第二个问题是想跟大家一道 The second question is to join us.
说说现代城市管理当中的困局 Talk about the predicament in modern city management
以及破局的对策 And the countermeasures to break the situation
第三个我是现在在普通的地方政府工作 Third, I am now working in ordinary local government.
我们特别跟大家说说 We would like to talk to you in particular.
浦东城市管理我称之为叫2.0 Pudong city management I call it 2.0
这我后边我会讲到一些探索与实践 I'll talk about some exploration and practice later.
那么最后会当凌绝顶 Then you'll end up at the top
实际上是要跟大家介绍一下在互联网加时代城市管理转型的一些案例 In fact, I would like to introduce you to the Internet plus times, urban management transformation of some cases.
通过案例最能说明问题 The case is the best way to illustrate the problem.
这个是我今天给大家讲的 This is what I told you today.
大概就这么四个方面 That's about four things
第一个是风从何处来 The first is where the wind comes from.
上海城市管理的前世今生 The past and present life of Shanghai's urban management
我估计我们在学校的学生 I estimate our students at school.
有时候说到城市管理四个字 Sometimes when it comes to city management
我们有很多不见得对它的内涵和外延非常的清晰 We have a lot of, not necessarily very clear on its connotation and extension.
但是对城市管理的简称城管 But the short term for urban management
大家可能就非常熟了 We may be very familiar.
对吧 Right
当然简称城管只是城市管理的一小块 Of course, urban management is only a small piece of urban management.
我后边会讲到 I'll talk about it later
但是大体上大家在感悟城市管理这四个字的时候 But in general, we are in the perception of the four words urban management.
可以以狭义的城管作为理解 Can take the narrow sense of urban management as an understanding.
了解他的角度一个角度 Understand his angle, an angle
那么上海因为作为城市来讲 So Shanghai because as a city
肯定是需要管理的 Must be managed
对不对 Right or wrong
作为政府的职能四大块 As the function of the government
其中有一块就是社会管理 One of them is social management.
具体化来讲就城市管理 In concrete terms, urban management
对不对 Right or wrong
那么我们生活在座城市里头 So we live in cities
我们的环境 Our environment
是吧 Right
我们的交通 Our traffic
我们的整个社会秩序 Our whole social order
我们的各个方面都需要管理 We need to manage all aspects.
那么这个都是广义的城市管理的范畴 So this is the broad scope of urban management.
包括安全管理 Including safety management
所以从历史上看 So historically
有一个分散到相对集中 There is one scattered to the relative concentration.
再到正在走向大集中的这么一个过程 Then there is the process of going to great concentration.
一个过程 A process
大家可能来自于全国不同的地方 People may come from different parts of the country.
各个地方不完全一样 Every place is not exactly the same.
但是过去的分散管理是和中国计划经济体制侠者观的 However, in the past, the decentralized management of China's planned economy and the concept of chivalry.
计划经济体制时代的最重要的特征 The most important features of the era of planned economy system
那就是政府是万能的 That is, the government is omnipotent.
政府什么都要管 The government has to take care of everything.
政府什么都能管 The government can control everything.
于是乎根据社会的各个细分领域 Therefore, according to the various segments of society
政府就分成了很多的部门 The government is divided into many departments.
我们看从过去上海的情况来看 We look at the situation in Shanghai in the past.
大体上跟城市管理这个话题相关的 Generally related to the topic of urban management.
比如有公安局 For example, there is a public security Bureau.
有规划局 Planning Bureau
有土地局 Land office
有环保局 With the environmental protection Bureau
有环卫局 Ring board
有园林局 Youyuan forestry Bureau
有市政局 Urban Council
有农林局 Agriculture and forestry Bureau
有卫生局安监局等等 There's the Bureau of health supervision and so on
那么在过去的一些年代 So in the past years
因为当时这么多局那么多局的时候 Because there were so many games and so many games.
居然在上海曾经有一句话叫这些局多数特别是带有执法行为的机构和 Even in Shanghai, there has been a saying that most of these bureaux, especially with law enforcement agencies and.
人员 Personnel
那都是戴着大盖帽的 That's all in a big cap
公安局不要说了 The public security Bureau will stop talking.
对吧 Right
安监等等 An Jian et al.
有一些 There are some
你比方农林局 For example, the agriculture and forestry Bureau
他可能有一个叫林业执法大队 He may have a forestry law enforcement brigade.
园林局说不定有一个叫绿化监察执法大队 There may be a green surveillance enforcement unit in the garden and forestry Bureau
这不是叫说不定这是有这些人都是都是戴大盖帽的 This is not called, maybe it is, these people are all wearing a big cap.
但是过去上海有一句说法 But there was a saying in Shanghai in the past.
叫十几顶大盖帽管不住一点破草帽 A dozen caps can't hold a straw hat.
破草帽形象的形容 Description of the image of broken straw hat
城市管理的那些个体对象 The individual objects of urban management
比如说摆小摊的 For example, a stall
比如说拉着一个一个车做小买卖的 For example, pulling a car for a small business.
或者是其他的 Or something else
这是一个形象 This is an image.
为什么这么多大盖帽管不住他一点破厂 Why can't so many big caps control his factory?
因为在这些部门之间管理的边界是既清晰又模糊 Because the boundaries between these departments are clear and vague.
清晰的是什么呢 What is clear?
各个单位都有自己的职能的 Each unit has its own functions.
模糊的是什么呢 What's vague?
边界之间的时候就有那些事儿是你谁都管不了的 There are those things between the boundaries that you can't control.
我举一个例子 Let me give you an example
比如说早年上海某一条马路上 For example, in the early days of a road in Shanghai.
这个是我亲眼见的 I saw this with my own eyes.
我不说那条马路的名字 I don't say the name of the road.
那时候环卫和园林是分开的 At that time, sanitation and gardens were separated.
那么环卫扫街的工人 So sanitation street sweepers
扫好这个特别是人行道 Clean this, especially the sidewalk.
这有行道树 There's a tree of roads
周边有一个数学 There's a math around
对不对 Right or wrong
然后人行道旁边再往里头可能是绿化 Then the sidewalk is next to it and it may be green.
在那边就是真正的机动非机动车道和机动车道 Over there are real motor-driven non-motor-vehicle lanes and motorways.
那么这些少人行道的人 So these people with little sidewalks
左少右少一看 One less left and one less right
前后没人 There is no one around
blGPS器就把垃圾就扫到数学里头去 The blgps device sweeps the trash into mathematics
或者少到绿化地里头去了 Or less in the green land.
反正他扫干净了 Anyway, he cleaned it up.
那么第二天 So the next day
园林工人上班 Garden workers go to work
他的任务是叫清除杂草的 His task is called weeding.
我曾经写过一篇小文章 I once wrote a small article.
真的叫豆腐块文章 Really called the bean curd block article
在新民晚报说 In the Xinmin evening news
给杂草要证明杂草 Prove a weed to a weed.
不要把它当成毒草 Don't treat it as poisonous grass.
这是题外的话 This is an aside
这园林工人他的职责是要把数学当中的杂草要除干净 The gardener's duty is to weed out the weeds in mathematics.
于是乎他把杂草代理他的垃圾咕噜咕噜又弄在了路上 So he rumbled his garbage on the road again.
对吧 Right
所以说类似的事情在边界又清晰又模糊的时候 So something like that happens when the boundaries are clear and fuzzy
十几顶大盖帽管不住一点破厂 More than a dozen caps can't keep up with the factory.
那么后来发展过程当中 So later in the process of development
大家注意到这个问题就相对集中了 The problem is relatively concentrated when you notice it.
所以在过去的十多年前 So more than a decade ago
除了有一些是没法合并的以外 Except that there are some that cannot be merged.
你比方说绿化和市容环境卫生就合并了 For example, the combination of green and urban sanitation.
对吧 Right
原农林局当中的林业部分也合并到这个里头来了 The forestry component of the former Bureau of agriculture and forestry has also been merged into this one.
还有把其他的跟煤气水电有关的公用事业管理了等等 There are other utilities related to gas, water and electricity management, and so on.
那么是个相对集中的过程 So it's a relatively concentrated process.
那么到了现在 So now
正在因为相对集中也只是一个相对集中 Because the relative concentration is only a relative concentration.
它仍然存在过去分散管理当中的这种灰色地带 It still exists in the past in the decentralized management of this gray areas.
交叉地带用这个看看这个战争偏多了 Take a look at this cross-country. There's a lot of war.
就知道73军和68军的结合部 I knew the joint section between the 73 and 68 armies.
你这没法弄 You can't do that.
所以仍然还是有这个问题 So there is still the problem.
所以现在正在在现代的理念和体制下 So now under the modern concept and system
在推动叫城市行政管理综合执法 Promoting comprehensive law enforcement of city administration
部门就叫城市管理行政管理综合执法局 The department is called the comprehensive administration of urban management and administration.
这个又是带着一点大盖帽 This is wearing a big cap again
非常厉害的 Very powerful
那么这个大盖帽是少了一些 So this big cap is a little less
是不是 Isn't it
就一定管得住一顶破草帽 You must be able to hold on to a straw hat
我们举一个例子 Let's give an example.
也就是在大约45年前 That was about 45 years ago
发生在某市某某区某街道 Take place on a street in a certain district of a city
我就不说了 I won't say anything.
大家如果有的人早年在上海 Everybody, if some people were in Shanghai in their early years,
如果或者上海的同学看到过新闻的时候 If the students in Shanghai have seen the news.
可能知道的 Possible
某某公共绿地上就有装修房子扔了一破马桶 So-and-so public green space on the decoration of the house threw a broken toilet.
是吧 Right
然后就有居民打个电话投诉 Then a resident called to complain.
说这个地方有个布没人清理 Said there was a cloth in this place and nobody cleaned it up
但是这件事叫谁都觉得不是他的事儿 But this is not his business.
说绿化部门说这玩意属于建筑垃圾 Said the greening department said it belonged to building waste
建筑垃圾渣土管理说我们渣土有集中推堆放 The management of building refuse and slag said that we have centralized pushing and stacking of slag and soil.
他没有放在集中堆放场所 He didn't put it in a centralized storage area.
那不是我管的 That's not my business
是环卫部门就觉得我是要管哪些属于公共场场所 Is the sanitation sector, I think I am to control what is the public field.
是要我管的那个地方 It's the place I'm supposed to be in charge of.
那么结果几天下来 So the result came a few days
那事还搁在那 The matter is still there.
最后居民仍然不行 Finally, the residents are still not able to do so.
然后就通过其他的途径 And then through other ways
把这个事儿在区长接待日的时候把它捅到区长那去 Stab the matter to the governor on reception day.
区长一纸批文说 The district governor said on a piece of paper
你反正接到你怎么弄我不管 I don't care what you do anyway.
你把它干掉 You take it out
后来接到找了几个人 Then I got a few people.
拿了两翻斗车 Took the two dumpers
一刻钟就解决了 It was settled in a quarter of an hour
但是我们要问的是这种现象正常吗 But we have to ask is this phenomenon normal?
什么事都要靠区长市长的批文来做 Everything depends on the approval of the mayor of the district.
不正常 Abnormal
所以我们如果在前面我是讲的就是讲了上海的 So if we were to talk about Shanghai before, I would say that.
以上海为例 Take Shanghai for example
讲了城市管理的前世今生 Talking about the past and present life of city management
那么今生还是处于一个正在升的过程当中 Then this life is still in the process of rising.
对不啦 Isn't that right
如果说把相对集中是第一胎 If relative concentration is the first child
那么新生大概就是第二胎了 Then the freshmen are probably the second child.
第二个我想跟大家说说的叫长风几万里 The second one I want to talk to you about is long Feng, tens of thousands of miles.
城市管理的困局 The predicament of urban management
我用了一个说法叫城管被妖魔化 I used a saying that the city management was demonized.
就是说现在包括我们平常正常我们有时候上街在马路上 That is to say, we are normal now, and sometimes we go out on the street.
或者我们也都会看到各种各样的这种我们自己也非常不赏心悦目的 Or we can all see all kinds of this, and we are not very pleasant to look at ourselves.
那些现象 Those phenomena
从理论上来讲 In theory
那都是有人管的 It's all in the hands of somebody
但是为什么这个城管这个事情会变得成为社会上的一个热词 But why does this matter become a hot word in society?
热点问题 Hot issues
如果我们在百度360等搜索一下城管二字 If we search the word Chengguan in Baidu 360 and so on
下面可能产生频率最高的热门词 The following may produce the most frequently popular words.
譬如城管打人了 For example, the urban management hit people.
频率出现的可能会最高 The highest possible frequency
对吧 Right
那么我们联系到现实生活当中 So we're connected to real life
人们对于城市管理执法者的种种责难嘲讽或者误解 People's criticism or misunderstanding of the city's law enforcers
以及偶尔听到的某些正面评价 And some occasional positive comments
那么是得城市管理这样一个处于风口浪尖上的部门和职业 So it's a department and a profession at the top of the wave of urban management.
很容易引起人们思考以下的问题 It is easy to cause people to think about the following problems.
首先是城市管理 The first is urban management.
城市管理存在的必要性究竟是什么 What is the necessity of city management?
城市管理为什么会被妖魔化 Why city management is demonized
问题重重的城市管理如何走向现代化 How to modernize urban management with many problems
那么就这四个方面的问题 So on these four aspects
我们一座大城市 We are a big city.
该进行良好的城市管理 Good urban management
大家其实可能还比较容易理解 In fact, we may be easier to understand.
现在在某一些内地二三线地方 Now in some mainland second and third line places.
刚刚开始走从城镇化走向城市化的地方 Have just begun to walk from urbanization to urbanization.
我们注意到我们有时候也去那考察什么的 We noticed that we sometimes went there to study something.
注意到有很多问题 Note that there are many problems.
大家根本就从工作的规范各方面都存在 All of us have been working from all aspects of the norms.