我们在座的都是可能规划精英的朋友 We are all friends who may be planning the elite.
也有校外的老师会那么天我想结果我聚焦在河流 There are also teachers out of school that day, and I think the result is that I focus on the river.
跟大家分享一下 Share with you
到目前为止 So far
相当于一些知识点和我的一些工作体会 Is equivalent to some knowledge points and some of my work experience.
那么河流问题刚才高老师那么简单 So the river problem was so simple just now.
前面说了一下 I said earlier
这个跟我们城市的文明是最密切相关的是 This is the most closely related to the civilization of our city.
自古以来不管是中国也好 Since ancient times, whether it is China or not.
或者国外许多国家 Or many foreign countries
整个城市的兴起 The rise of the whole city
实际上都跟合理有密切的关系 In fact, there is a close relationship with rationality.
那么那么在今天我们经济进入新常态 So, today, our economy is entering a new normal.
我们的城市规划也有那么一点时间上的余地 Our city planning also has a little time to spare.
来认真思考中国的城市的生态文明的时候 To think seriously about the ecological civilization of China's cities.
我们一起来前期思考一些就是说城市的河流建设和整个城市规划 Let's think about some, that is, urban river construction and the entire urban planning.
或者说城市的生态文明这个关系 Or the ecological civilization of the city.
我觉得这个意义应该是非常重要的 I think the meaning should be very important.
因为最近中央也是在号召学习一系列的 Because recently, the central committee is also calling for a series of studies.
习近平总书记的讲话叫两学一创可能很多都是跟生态移民相关的 General secretary Xi Jinping's speech called "two schools, one school" and probably a lot of it is related to ecological migration.
那么特别是习近平这两三理论 So, especially the two or three theories of Xi Jinping.
金山银山 Jin Shan yin Shan
现在已经是被我们整个国家的中国梦所接受 Now it is accepted by the Chinese dream of our whole country.
也就是说经济发展的最终目的是什么 In other words, what is the ultimate purpose of economic development?
这里边两三理论也在有了 There are two or three theories here.
看上去还带有一点小资的情怀 There seems to be a little bit of petty cash.
是吧 Right
就是看得见山望得见水 The mountain is visible and the water is visible.
记住乡愁等等 Remember homesickness and so on
这些概念 These concepts
那么这也是我们中国比较好的一些照片 So this is also some of the better pictures of our China.
我选了四张 I chose four.
因为要谈相同的话 Because we have to talk about the same thing
我们每个人实际上在童年的时候 Each of us was actually in childhood.
你整个的工作经历当中 Your whole work experience
都会有很多美好的事 There will be a lot of good things.
作为我个人的理解 As my personal understanding
从事这方面的工作 Work in this area
经常带学生去野外做河流的一些考察 Often take students to the field to do some river research.
调查研究 Investigation and research
我也经常会思考 I also think a lot
不仅在中国做作业 Not only do homework in China.
也要在国外做一些野外工作的时候 When you have to do some field work abroad
也会有意识无意识的去思考去对比 There will also be conscious and unconscious thinking to contrast.
实际上这个销售无非是两个层面 In fact, this sale is no more than two levels.
一个是对于幼小的时候记忆最美好的一种眷恋 One is the best memory for a young age.
那么最美好的东西当然希望它能够传承下去 Then the best thing, of course, I hope it can be passed on.
还有一层意思 There is another meaning.
我想既然总书记提到这还是我们这些美好的就是说特别十八大以后 I think that since the general secretary mentioned that this is still something we are doing, that is to say, after the 18th national Congress of the Communist party of China.
提到的自然资本自然资产文化资产 Natural capital, natural assets and cultural assets mentioned
如何能够传承给我们的后代 How can we pass on to our descendants?
也就是我们讲堂的一个可能很重要 That is, one of our lectures may be very important.
可持续城镇放这个规划这个理念 Sustainable cities and towns put the concept of planning
所以我记得我是上小学之前刚好是文革前65年66年 So I remember I was in primary school, just before the cultural revolution, 65, 66 years.
那个时候的印象实际上非常深刻 At that time, the impression was actually very deep.
后面也会有一些照片来做一个简单的介绍 There will also be some pictures to give a brief introduction.
所以那种印象就是说真正的一种人与自然人与水之间的这种人生和谐 So that kind of impression is a real kind of person and natural person and water between this kind of life harmony.
的社会 Society
那么经济发展 So economic development
经济的高效率 Economic efficiency
高速的城镇化 Rapid urbanization
使过去乡愁记忆中的东西现在逐渐在远离我们的视野 What has been remembered in the past is now gradually moving away from our vision.
那么实际上中国的先哲对于水系这方面有非常多的精辟的这些技术 In fact, China's philosophy on the water system in this area has a lot of brilliant these technologies.
比如说古人将城市水系 For example, the ancients put urban water systems.
我在摘要里面也写到了 I wrote it in the abstract
我们国内现在有很多学者也在强调这个观点 Many scholars in our country are now emphasizing this point.
我想大家也应该有这个共识 I think we should all agree on this
就是说水系是作为城市的血脉 That is to say, the river system is the blood of the city.
从战国时代的管子水地中就提出了随着地质血气 From the time of the warring States period, it was put forward along with the geological blood gas.
如静脉置流通者也 As well as intravenous circulation.
那么到了清朝康熙年间 So in the reign of Kangxi in the Qing Dynasty
李洪浩负责治水的也是在重开城内河道记中 Li Honghao is also responsible for water control in the reopening of the city river.
谈到了复地支酉水 Talking about the water in the compound
油甚至由血脉河流色泽风水伤 Oil even by the blood stream color Feng Shui wound
血脉滞 Blood stasis
则生病必然之理也 Then the inevitable reason for illness
都这方面实际上论述我们现在也在挖掘中华文化当中这些精华的东西 In fact, we are now digging into the essence of Chinese culture.
但是现在我们在追求高效率的过程当中 But now we are in the process of high efficiency.
我们所看到的河流的情况 What we see about the river
比如说这是上海打造了一条景观河流 For example, this is Shanghai to create a landscape river.
我记得还是2000年 I remember 2000
徐匡迪做市长的时候 When Xu Kuangdi was mayor
当时我还在国外工作 I was still working abroad.
上海举行一个大都市国际生态研讨会 Shanghai holds international ecological symposium for a metropolis
那次是邀请我们做一个生态和报告 That time, we were invited to do an ecology and report.
从以后每年回来都会拍一些照片 From now on, I will take some pictures every year.
就发现国内实际上河流建设跟发达国家过去做的这个模式很类似 It is found that the domestic river construction in fact, with the developed countries in the past to do this model is very similar.
也就是说注重效率或者注重单一功能 In other words, focus on efficiency or focus on a single function.
这个可能跟管理者认知还是很有关系的 This may have a lot to do with the manager's perception.
那么其结果就是说河流建设现在参加市里边有些评比的时候 Well, the result is that the river is now in the city to participate in some evaluation time.
也有一些老专家会提到这个问题 Some old experts will also mention the problem.
就苏州河投了那么多钱 Just the Suzhou river invested so much money.
现在这个效果 Now this effect
投入产出是不是还存在问题 Is there still a problem with input and output?
甚至可能有一些老专家会提出更严厉的一些这种四问质疑 There may even be some older experts who will raise tougher questions of this kind.
也就是说投了很多钱 That means a lot of money.
做了河流的整治 The river has been improved.
似乎河水变清了 It seems that the river has cleared.
但是我们现在实际上还是画问号 But we're actually still drawing questions
沿岸变漂亮了 The coast has become beautiful.
这个可能是每个人的专业背景不一样 This may be everyone's professional background is different.
这种理解不一样 This understanding is different.
但是人们总会感到特别是稍微少年 But people always feel especially young.
因为他的乡愁记忆当中会有很多对过去的那些脑海当中残存的印象 Because there will be a lot of nostalgia in his memory of those memories of the past.
一些比较会感觉到河流 Some comparison will feel the river.
你自己反而选了有很多这样的一些困惑或者是思考 Instead, you chose to have a lot of this kind of confusion or thinking.
那么再看一看看到国家的话 Then take another look at the words of the country.
实际上他们也都走了很多这样的弯路 In fact, they have taken a lot of such detours.
为什么我们现在有那么多的欧洲的日本的 Why do we have so many European Japanese now?
美国的澳洲的反面教训 The negative lesson of Australia in the United States
我们仍然还会在河流建成适合特别是城市的建设中 We will still be building rivers that are suitable for cities in particular.
还会出现这样的问题 There will be problems like this.
这个可能是需要我们共同来思考 This may require us to think together.
或者共同来破解 Or work together to crack
那么我思考了很多感觉就是还是因为河流的主管部门往往在决策 So I think a lot of feeling is that the river is often in charge of the decision.
比如在投资整个计划决策的时候 For example, when investing in the whole plan decision-making.
他们会做决断 They make decisions
所以他们的这种意识水平 So their level of consciousness
理念的这种能不能跟国际接轨 The idea of this can not be in line with the international community.
往往决定了我们很多这些综合整治项目 Often determine our many of these comprehensive rectification projects.
能不能真正实现这种跨越 Can we really achieve this kind of leap?
而且在这方面实际上我是让本科生在做创新研究的时候 And in this respect, I actually let undergraduates do innovative research.
专门做了调查 Made a special investigation.
又针对国内400多个高校 Also aimed at more than 400 colleges and universities in China.
只要测水利专业的课程都做了调查分析 As long as the courses of the major of water conservancy are investigated and analyzed.
还是发射了一些 Still launched some
特别是八所 In particular, eight
国内主要的是院校 The main ones in China are colleges and universities.
当然我也有一些水平院校毕业的朋友 Of course, I also have some friends who graduated from colleges and universities.
他们现在在水利部都是身居师长甚至师长以上的高层 They are now in the Ministry of water resources are living in the teachers or even above the senior teachers.
那么跟在水利部做过副部长的我们在私下交流的时候 Well, when we had a private exchange with the vice minister in the Ministry of water resources,
国际会议以后私下交流的时候 Private communication after the international meeting
因为我也是做过报告 Because I did the same thing
上过课 Have attended a class
那么从她嘴里反映出来的 So it comes out of her mouth
就这样听了你我就感触 That's how I feel when I hear you.
我过去主管了那么多工作 I used to be in charge of so much work.
实际上有许多决策还是存在很多片面性 In fact, there are many decisions or there are many one-sidedness.
那么也就是说我们经过分析以后发现其水利的在学科上 In other words, after analysis, we found that the water in the subject.
实际上对于河流的综合的这方面 In fact, this aspect of river synthesis.
包括心态 Including mentality
还是缺乏一些基础的这种背景的积累和积淀的 Or the lack of some basis for this background accumulation and accumulation.
也就是说比如说我们现在城市面临的问题 In other words, for example, we are now facing the city's problems.
内涝防洪的问题比较严重 The problem of flood and flood control is serious.
学水利的人很强 The men who study water conservancy are very strong.
在这方面是无可挑剔 There is no fault in this
那就可以把这个工程做的按照标准可以做的很好 Then we can do this project according to the standards can do very well.
很棒 Great
然后围绕着水质的问题 And then around the water quality
这个是比较困惑的 This is rather confusing
因为水质的问题不是单一因素 Because water quality is not a single factor
所以这方面还是存在很多 So there are still a lot of them
但是围绕安全性来说确实做得很棒 But it's really great for security.
关键是我们人类社会发展到今天 The key is the development of our human society today.
从欧洲国家到日本到美国 From European countries to Japan to the United States
经验告诉你 Experience tells you
追求这种单一的防洪 The pursuit of this single flood control
实际上已经造成了大量的失误和错误的投入 In fact, it has caused a lot of mistakes and wrong input.
这后面会用案例给大家做一些分享 This later will use the case to do some sharing for you.
也就是说作为河流 That is to say, as a river
这是英文比较经典的描述 This is a classic English description.
有这么多的功能 There are so many functions
我把它进一步用中文也做了一下总结 I have also made a summary of it in Chinese.
也就是说首先既然人们是依水而居 That is to say, first of all, since people live by water.
当然安全肯定是摆在第一位 Of course, safety must be in the first place.
这无论到任何时候 It's no matter when.
或者说在任何发达国家 Or in any developed country
它的立法也都反映出了这一点 Its legislation also reflects this.
这肯定是第一位 This must be the first
但是我们同时人类社会经济都要发展 But at the same time, we should develop human society and economy.
所以供水水质这个关系 So the relationship between water supply and water quality
也是地位是非常重要的 Also, status is very important.
那么人们需要有一个清水的这种环境 Then people need to have a clear water in this environment.
当然对水质是有要求的 Of course, there are requirements for water quality.
同时人们都喜欢跟水相关联的各种各样的景观 At the same time, people like all kinds of landscape associated with water.
所以景观也会发挥非常特别是河流的河畔的景观可以发挥非常重要的 Therefore, the landscape will also play a very special, river-river landscape can play a very important role.
作用 Action
然后后来还发可以发挥行业发电 Then later, it also can play the industry power generation.
那么你看所有的文章 So you read all the articles
所有的介绍 All the presentations
实际上最终回归是一个生态 In fact, the ultimate return is an ecology.
所以这里面我们就共同思考这么一个问题 So we think about this problem together.
河流的生态或者是生态的河流 An ecological or ecological river.
有我们城市的生态 There is the ecology of our city.
城市的生态文明之间是一个什么样的关系 What is the relationship between the ecological civilization of the city?
后面我也会介绍 I'll introduce you later.
前年我和我们亚洲组的一个团组 The year before last, I and a group of our Asian group.
亚洲实际上传统生态河流建设主要是中日韩 In fact, the traditional ecological river construction in Asia is mainly in China, Japan and Korea.
原来因为我在日本工作的时间比较 It turns out that because of the time I work in Japan
并且一直做合理 And always make sense
那么去参加了欧盟的一个表彰大会 So to attend a recognition conference in the European union
它所体现的就是如何综合的能够反映出防洪水质 What it embodies is how the integrated can reflect the flood control water quality.
改善生态 Ecological improvement
当然这里边景观的要素 Of course, the elements of the landscape here.
清水的要素都在里面了 The essence of water is in it.
但是最后的指标是落在生态上 But the final indicator is ecological.
所以说生态不是一句空话 So ecology is not an empty talk
我们现在在讨论生态文明的时候 We are now talking about ecological civilization.
甚至说我们跟一些官员在讨论的时候 Even when we were talking to some officials
实际上对生态的理解 In fact, the understanding of ecology.
知识背景不一样 The knowledge background is different.
有很多领导甚至说也是一种很模糊的概念 There are many leaders, even a very vague concept.
那么从这意义上 So in that sense
将来我们要承担规划的重点 In the future, we have to bear the focus of the planning.
所以规划先行规划是非常重要 Therefore, planning ahead is very important.
特别是对于综合的这样的河流的的治理能不能有一个统观的这样的 In particular, the integrated management of such rivers can not have a unified view of such.
一些背景来支撑你 Some background to support you
是非常重要的 Is very important